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| Posted by Frank Lansner (frank) on 16th December, 2010 |
By Frank Lansner, civil engeneer biochemistry.
How UAH satellite temperature data supports Urban Heat (UHI) as a real and significant factor when estimating global temperatures.
NH temperatures in recent years:

Fig1. UAH global temperatures trend equals global sea surface temperatures: The black temperature graph - average RSS+UAH satellite NH (Land + Sea) - has a smaller warming trend than the other (brown) land data series – but in fact resembles the cooler Sea Surface Temperature trend.
(The blue graph “CSST” is an average of the rather similar SST´s: MOHSST6, HADSST1, HASSST2, ERSST.v3b, HADISST1and Kaplan SST 98.)
The satellite data represents both land and ocean temperatures – and yet they resemble only the SST´s. Why ?
Satellite temperatures and SST do have one thing in common: They are for sure without the UHI warming error from the cities and airports – they are Excl. UHI:
Fig2. Now we split the UAH data up in a land fraction and an ocean fraction. Both still seems to yield considerably lower temperature trends than the land data (brown) measured from mostly cities and airports on the ground.
So UAH land temperatures have colder temperature trend than the ground based land temperatures. Are the land-data deviations due to general issues with the satellite data then? Perhaps the satellite data happens to show colder trends for some “known” reasons etc?
Not likely: There is a good resemblance between the UAH ocean temperature trends and then the directly measured ocean data, SST (“CSST”). This shows that satellite data (and thus also satellite land data) are indeed useful and likely to be correct.
So, unless the satellites always starts to fail just when flying over land, the deviation between land data measured on the ground (mostly from cities and airports) vs. satellite land data is likely to originate mostly from the ground based land measurements. This “extra heat trend” seen in the ground based land temperature data may be explained by UHI + possibly faulty adjustments of data and siting problems.
- One more result might also support the correctness of UAH data:
Systems will always seek equilibrium.
On fig 2 we see a pattern of gabs between the UAH land and ocean data. However, after the gabs the UAH land and ocean data these data unite again and thus despite the temporary deviations, they still seem to produce a common trend.
Is it surprising that the temperatures over land and sea will seek equilibrium? Or would it rather be surprising if they did not? What force should maintain a still bigger difference in temperatures between land and see trends?

Fig 3. Lets focus on the temporary gabs between satellite land and ocean temperatures. The green curve represents a de-trended version, just the difference between the land and ocean temperature data from satellite. From fig 3 it appears to some degree that land and sea temperatures align or reaches equilibrium mostly when temperature do not change fast.
Lets take a look at the same phenomenon in the decades just before the satellite age – I use original temperature data published en around 1974-84 for this:

Fig 4. On this illustration we have confirmed, that the land-AIR temperatures are fastest to reach a temperature change “100%”, then the Marine-AIR temperatures comes soon after “80%” and finally the sea water surface temperatures reaches the new temperature level. Again it seems, that after a given time ocean temeperatures and land temperatures tends to find equilibrium. The bac-to-equilibrium-between-land-and-sea-surface-temperatures seems to happen whithin few years, escpecially if general warming/cooling pauses or reverses.
With a reasonable argumentation that also the Land fraction of satellite data is a good indicator of land temperatures, lets look at the “extra heat” seen in the ground based land temperature measurements (mostly from cities and airports). How much “extra heat” do the ground based land data contain?

Fig5. The extra heat in CRUTEM3 land data compared to UAH on NH is 0,103 K per decade.

Fig6. On global scale, the extra heat in CRUTEM3 land data compared to UAH on NH is 0,088 K per decade. (0,23K over 26 years from 1981 to 2007).
If the extra heat in data measured on land is applied to a period 1900-2010 – just to get a rough idea of the possible impact - using 35-40% land area as hadcrut does - we get global extra heat of +0,34 to +0,39 K added to the overall warming of the Earth related to the extra heat occurring when measuring from cities, Airports etc.
0,34-0,39 K is roughly half the supposed global warming 1900 – 2010 , but in this context we cannot claim to have quantitative precision, obviously. But the rough estimate of 0,34-0,39 K suggests that the impact of “extra heat” that cannot be detected by satellites plays an important role when trying to estimate global temperature trends.
The problem of “extra heat” in land temperatures (likely to be UHI and more) is escalated by GISS because they extrapolate the ground based land temperature measurements over the oceans in stead of using real ocean data:

Fig7. In the case of Hadcrut temperature series they use around 35-40% land data when calculating global data, but GISS have a temperature product using roughly twice this fraction for land area as fig 7 shows.

Fig 8 until around 2008 this illustration of land vs ocean temperatures was online at the NASA/GISS website. As we have seen, satellite data indicates that land temperatures from ground has trend around twice the trend of land data from satellite data - and as almost twice the warming trend of SST, ocean data. This tendency is confirmed on fig 8. From 1880 to 2007 we have an ocean warming trend around 0,6K and for land its around 1,2 K - twice.
Again, we saw from 30 years of satellite temperatures that global satellite data matches ocean temperatures rather closely. If valid, then the fig 8 indicates a 0,6 K faulty extra heat, UHI etc from 1880 to 2007.
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Article from which most graphics where taken:
http://hidethedecline.eu/pages/posts/the-perplexing-temperature-data-published-1974-84-and-recent-temperature-data-180.php
Review and feedback of the above article by E.M.Smith, Musings from the Chiefio:
“The rewritten past”: http://chiefio.wordpress.com/2010/12/13/the-rewritten-past
Chosen articles by Frank Lansner:
Update:
Errors in the above suggested mostly by Bob Tisdale:
List of claimed ”errors” mostly received from Bob Tisdale in the comments on WUWT.
In the article UAH reveals Urban Heat, we see a rather clear data indication that ground based land temperatures shows warmer long term - 30 year - trend than 1) UAH land, 2) UAH ocean and 3) directly measured ocean temperatures.

Fig 1.
This may suggest, that the data type of ground based land measurements (often from cities/aiports) contains too much heat, in the article referred to as “extra heat”. (“extra heat” was explained in the article as UHI, wrong adjustments and siting problems).
Further, UAH data suggests a close bond between land and ocean data, the land data trend does not run far away from ocean data. Whenever there is a pause in the general warming, the UAH land and oceand data for temperature anomalies returns to the same distance.
This appears in harmony with basic thermodynamics, a system will always seek equilibrium.
However, it appears that the data type of ground based land measurements (often from cities/aiports) shows an ever still larger discrepancy from directly measured ocean temperatures, and thus has no “bond” to ocean temperatures. This may support the suggestion that it is indeed the ground based land data type that shows too much warming.
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To this, I have received an overwhelming number of claims that my thoughts and logic is hardly useful.
For example, when Lucy Skywalker (from the Blackboard) writes positively as comment on WUWT:
“Was just thinking, we need a paper submitted for peer-review and publication, authors Lansner, Tisdale and McKitrick. …Seriously. This looks like being potentially a damn good and important paper.”
To this, Bob Tisdale writes:
“Lucy, the post is so error filled it leaks like a collender. “
Im not sure what “collender” is, but I think its not that good.
In the following I have tried to get an overview over the errors claims spread out mostly by Bob Tisdale, sometimes explained over more comments, so I try my best to specify the error claims:
1) The article is pinpointing that the difference in data types might include some errors, perhaps especially for the ground based land data type. In the article I show that UAH land and ocean has similar warming trend – but ground based ocean and land based temperatures has not.
Bob claims that when the ground based land and ocean data are not the same type (unlike UAH land and ocean) then we should not expect the ground based long term (30 years) trends to be similar.
My opinion: Complete Nonsense. The problem we investigate is that the ground based land data type may have problems. An argument that “the ground based land data is a different data type” does NOT legalize that this data type has a long term trend different from oceans when UAH shows similar trend. The different data type may explain WHY we see a difference, just as the article suggests.
2) Bob claims: The used CSST-curve is so wrong that it disturbs the argument of the article.
My opinion: I have showed several times how close the CSST is to relevant SST, in fact it runs approximately as an average of the relevsant SST´s:

Therefore choosing one of the relevant SST´s would not change any points in the article.
3) In general it has been suggested, that I should have done something significantly wrong with data, and thus the article.
My Opinion: Bob Tisdale has plotted some SST´s and UAH ocean which shows a splendid match with the corresponding data from my part. Bobs graph left, and Bob graph overlaid on my fig 2 right:

Fig3. Click for large picture!
My opinion: Bobs treatment of data confirms my treatment of data. Bobs UAH-ocean is identical to mine, and if you see the black arrow right, you see that the blue CSST reflects well the average SST. Certainly nothing here suggests that significant errors in my graphs and data treatment.
4) Bob argues that bigger monthly variance in data should promote bigger warning trend.

Fig4:
My Opinion: Bob has made the above graphic where the UAH ocean data seems to fit the average of the SST´s allthough the UAH data type has far greater monthly variance. And important: If UAH shows rather similar land and ocean trends (despite bigger variance for land data) why should not ground based data do the same? And by the way, I have never heard that a bigger monthly variance itself could create a mulitidecadial significant warmer trend… !
In this connection Bob wrote: “one might expect the trend of the land surface temperature to be higher than the trends of the other datasets.”
That is, he believed that “one might expect”… this is not a claim of error on my part, but simply Bobs opinion or thought.
5) Bob suggests it seems, that my 5 year avg. of the data graphs itself is responsible for the fact that UAH land vs. ocean data keeps returning to the earlier distances in anomalies between land and ocean. This is what I called: “UAH land and ocean temperatures keep seeking equilibrium”.
My opinion: First of all, what enables the “returning to equilibrium” is obviously that the 30 year UAH land and ocean trends are rather similar. The much warmer trend of ground based land temperatures compared to ocean temperatures ensures that no returning to initial distance between ocean and land data can never occur. So the “return to equilibrium” is mainly enabled by the long 30 year trend. Therefore, my averaging of 5 yr trend is not the cause.
Bob then showed how a 13 months averaged graph:

Fig5. Obviously this creates more noise in data, but it does not change the fact that UAH land and ocean data has similar trends and thus appears to have a bond, sometimes reaching equilibrium.
6) By showing the temperatures for a squarre of ocean and a squarre of land – that do not have totally same trend – Bob seems to think that this then rules out that there should be a hemispheric or global tendency that UAH has similar land and ocean trends. Or at least, this is how I read his words.

Fig 6. My Opinion: The article covered the whole NH for a combined relation ship land – ocean. The next natural step would be to examine a bigger area, the full globe, but in stead Bob chooses to look at a much much smaller land fragment versus ocean fragment. Obviously it is much more likely to stumble over odd result when choosing fragments like this, so I don’t know what to make of this. The ocean fragment will interact with all areas around it and in fact the whole NH and even to some degree the full globe. Therefore, we should look at a larger area, for example the full NH as in the article to begin with.
7) In the end of the article I write under fig 7:
"Fig7. In the case of Hadcrut temperature series they use around 35-40% land data when calculating global data, but GISS have a temperature product using roughly twice this fraction for land area as fig 7 shows."
So I write: “Giss have A temperature product…” and I show the GISS Tsurf global temperature map. This temperature map is the one shown today on GISStemp front page (right side):
Fig7.
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/
The Tsurf is updated as allways, and maps and data are available as allways. I showed exactly the Tsurf product because problems for ground based land data makes the Tsurf product have more problems.
Bob then writes: “the GISS dTs data is not the “current” GISTEMP dataset. And since it is not the “current” GISTEMP dataset, your critiques have little to no meaning in discussions of land plus ocean datasets.”
My opinion: In Bobs OPINION it is not relevant for me in the article to criticize the Tsurf product as I do. But this is Bobs opinion, and not at all an “error” in any way from my part. The Tsurf product I criticize is THE product of James Hansen through many important writings all the way back from 1981, 86 and foreward. It is also a product that GISS chooses to maintain online for the public and therefore, the quality of the Tsurf product reflects the standard of the GISS science today. Summa: There is every reason to criticize the product as I do.
8) The "extra heat" in the article is described as "UHI, wrong adjustments and siting problems", however, in the short title "UAH reveals UrbAn Heat" it is only the UHI that is mentioned.
My opinion: Well... This is true... I made a short title where i made a little fun with the "U" "A" and "H", and i guess this has confused Bob. Other commenters has however read the article and is not in doubt what the real message is. If this is an "error" it is certainly not a kind of error that makes the content of the article not useful.
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Bob has now written yet an error he wants to mention in the comments below. In general he now expresses that I should to begin with have carried out much more analysis of data than I already have above. Nobody can deny that more analysis is always better. Bob now states that is “a failure” i did not do some further analysis of the types he mentions.
Error 9)
Bob writes:
“If YOU had performed a reasonable analysis, Frank, you would have discovered that the vast majority of the difference between TLT and surface data exists in only one area of the globe…. If you had researched it a little more, you would have discovered that much of the difference between TLT and surface data occurs over the North Atlantic. One wouldn't think that there is a lot of UHI effect on the North Atlantic, Frank.”
Comment: I discovered that the NH ocean-average did not contribute to the differences at all while NH land areas was creating the whole difference. That’s the whole point…
I used UAH while Bob use UAH+RSS it seems So what is really interesting to explore is: Why is there this difference UAH vs RSS that produces exactly this difference? Does UAH actually hold some valid points here or is it faulty? We have to know exactly why these differences occur before we can conclude that for example the UAH result – maybe pointing to UHI – can be ditched just like that.
Bob writes further:
“Everyone knows the major difference between GISS and TLT data is how GISS treats the Arctic data.
http://bobtisdale.blogspot.com/2010/05/giss-deletes-arctic-and-southern-ocean.html”
Really?
In general, I looked at AVERAGE LAND DATA for the whole NH and AVERAGE OCEAN DATA for the whole NH.
This to even out local differences for local reasons best possible. However Bobs findings for USA etc are.. surprising and certainly is something I would like to look closer into even though the difference in our findings appears related to use of different data as mentioned.
Comments to this:
http://hidethedecline.eu/media/UAHUHI/bobsdiscussion.doc
The original article on WUWT:
Last changed: 15th January, 2011 at 11:03:44
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| Bob... | By Unknown on 19th January, 2011 at 17:33:25 |
| "Why'd You Hide The Comments, Frank?" Bob... I moved that writing to the end of the present writing. Doing so doe not move the comments, and not to loose them they where attached in a word. You have written a lot I see, and I will have time to look at it late night Danish time. I sincerely hope it is of scientific interesting value. |
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| Why'd You Hide The Comments, Frank? | By Unknown on 19th January, 2011 at 12:32:15 |
| You linked the discussion of this thread above. Here: http://hidethedecline.eu/media/UAHUHI/bobsdiscussion.doc And my last reply to you was this: Frank replied, "So basically, your result says that the UAH-Grounbased difference is from oceans..." Wrong. Read what I wrote again. I wrote that the trend in TLT anomalies over the North Atlantic was higher than the SST trend. I did not say “the UAH-Grounbased difference is from oceans.” You misrepresent what I write repeatedly. Every chance you get, you redirect the discussion, stating that I have said one thing, when, in fact, I have said the opposite and presented data to confirm it. What about my comment about inland Africa, Frank? There, I showed you that the GISS trend was considerably higher than the TLT trend: http://i43.tinypic.com/if1oh5.png I used that as an example that UHI effect is not the only reason for the difference between land surface data and TLT. There’s not a lot of UHI in the Sahara desert, Frank. At WUWT I provided you with a link to the post that graph came from. Here it is again: http://bobtisdale.blogspot.com/2009/06/part-2-of-comparison-of-gistemp-and-uah.html In that post, there are many graphs of many areas of the globe that disagree with your initial premise that UHI is responsible for the difference between TLT anomalies and surface temperature anomalies. In my latest reply to you at my blog, I wrote, All you are doing is rehashing discussions we've already had on the thread at WUWT. I've already presented to you in multiple ways why what you had written there was wrong. My rewriting it another way apparently doesn't help because you become defensive and you argue. And what are you doing in your latest reply on 14th January, 2011 at 14:44:54? You being defensive and you are arguing. And in my last comment at my blog, I suggested, Reread what I discussed with you on that thread. Attempt to understand what people who disagreed with you were saying to you. Don't become defensive. Don't become argumentative. Steven Mosher suggested ways for you redo all of your graphs. Have you tried it to see if it presents different results? Have you tried that? Apparently not. In your latest reply here, you wrote, “You get the opposite result compared to me, so it’s a little early to conclude anything much for now.” Any of your readers, those who are interested in determining whether you or I are right, can reproduce the graphs I had presented to you, Frank. They can see for themselves I have presented reality and that your original post was flawed. Since you, Frank, are still arguing and still misrepresenting what I have written, I cannot continue this discussion. Your readers will understand why I have chosen to end this conversation. You might try to spin it, but your readers will understand. Goodbye, Frank. |
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| Back to the science! | By Frank Lansner on 15th January, 2011 at 12:23:52 |
| Bob suggests that USA lack of UHI in data should disproove the findings in my article and much more. But.. if you examine the UHI trends from Petersons data, exatly in recent decades, no UHI error problem is found for USA: http://climateaudit.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/peters27.gif So using what logic should we be able to find UHI from UAH data in USA?? Bob then mentions an area in the North atlantic where UAH shows a lot more warming than "GISS" or that would be Hadcrut i suppose. But exactly in this period we have had a strong peaking AMO in the North Atlantic. As i have shown ealier, trends in Marine Air are normaly faster than trends in SST, and sinde UAH measures the very very top layer of the ocean or more something similar to Marine air temps the fact that Hadcrut SST (2 metre under surface) show a slower warming than UAH. For Europe, for example "Scepticalscience" is promoting "Rural sites" in mid England and compare with Londond and finds not any UHI in such a compare (gosh, what a science). And Why should not Europe show somthing similar to the US, that later decades ar far less affected by UHI than earlier decades? Why should there be a significant difference between Europe and US in UHI for recent decades? So what are the facts?? Bob - as I see it now - do NOT deny my data shown in first graphic where the descrepancy between UAH land and groundbased land are really significant. He just thinks that UHI plays a smaller role? Because... The extra warming in ground based data are there! It must be explained! UHI: The fact that US vs UAH shows NO difference and at the same time we know from McIntyre that in fact UHI had no say 1980-today DOES CONFIRM that UHI is an important reason for the descrepancies! In stead we see the FAR TO MUCH HEATING in "GISS SAHARA". But this is kind of a JOKE, becasue GISS doe NOT have their GHCN stations in the sand of SAHARA!!!! They have their stations in the cities, and exactly such kind of cities are the ones with a really karge growth in recent decades and therefore the outcome that "SAHARA" has UHI appears correct and NOT a problem for my findings at all, on the contrary. K.R. Frank |
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| Hi Bob, Discussion and comments moved to the UAH UHI article. | By Frank Lansner on 15th January, 2011 at 11:33:51 |
| I have added: Bob, As I have tried to explain 100 times: Your huge work of making global grid fields for UAH and ground based series then compare and make difference maps is stunning and impressing, but your huge drive to turn your additional results into errors on my part is sad and not acceptable. Furthermore, you have claimed so many very different errors on my part of which many are surprisingly unfounded that you must except that your whole error message gets very cloudy and messy indeed. Your latest work and objection to my results finally do add exciting new results and you should have focused to this to begin with and presented it in a positive way as good debaters normally do. Even the final relevant point you started out representing drop wise, like Something don’t work in Sahara - Something don’t work in the US in stead of coming with the overall picture that you find a GENERAL error in data when examining ALL areas. This gave me NO way of knowing that you finally had a point after a huge time consume on debating. K.R. Frank |
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| Ho Bob! | By Unknown on 13th January, 2011 at 08:59:19 |
| Hi Bob! Your comments where not deleted as such, i took the discussion-thing off since I normally only keep the best things on the front page for peoble to scroll through. I only keep "goldies" on the front :-) The discussion is not deleted, and if you want I can put it on online somewhere else on the site? I can put the discussion-thing in after the main post "Uhi-Uah.."? Normally just few makes comments at hidethedecline.eu so it has never been a problem when i take things off before. And to be honest, I thought you would be happy it was taken off (!!!) Making a post out of it yourself in stead of just contacting me, ask why its off or what ever really seems to be overkill :-)) You are allways welcome to contact me on fel@nnit.com as I have said many many times before. The things (the article) you commented on was given for you to review half a year ago, you did not take the time to help me then, but in stead you use incredible amount of energy "commenting" online. Sad and odd. K.R. Frank |
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| I Don't Like Having My Comments Deleted, Frank | By Unknown on 13th January, 2011 at 03:12:48 |
| Why did you delete your December 26, 2010 post, Frank, the one with the title “List of claimed ‘errors’ mostly received from Bob Tisdale in the comments on WUWT”? I left a comment on that thread and by deleting the post, you deleted my comment. You misrepresented what I wrote on the WUWT thread in your post, Frank, but that did not bother me. It did not bother me that you had used my name in the title of your post, Frank. But I do not like having one of my comments deleted. So here it is again: ################## If YOU had performed a reasonable analysis, Frank, you would have discovered that the vast majority of the difference between TLT and surface data exists in only one area of the globe. All areas would be impacted by UHI if it had a significant effect, but they are not. And that fact alone contradicts your claims that UHI is the primary reason for the difference between surface and TLT data. If you had researched it a little more, you would have discovered that much of the difference between TLT and surface data occurs over the North Atlantic. One wouldn't think that there is a lot of UHI effect on the North Atlantic, Frank. http://bobtisdale.blogspot.com/2010/10/on-differences-between-surface-and-tlt.html If you had performed a reasonable analysis, Frank, you would have discovered that GISS land surface data for much of the United States has a lower trend than the TLT data: http://i40.tinypic.com/nget8k.png If you had performed a reasonable analysis, Frank, you would have discovered that there is little difference between GISS land surface data and TLT data for much of Europe: http://i40.tinypic.com/k6ija.png If UHI was such a dominant factor, why are they so similar, Frank? Everyone knows the major difference between GISS and TLT data is how GISS treats the Arctic data. http://bobtisdale.blogspot.com/2010/05/giss-deletes-arctic-and-southern-ocean.html ################### BTW, I wrote a post about your deleting my comment and the title is “hidethedecline.eu Hides A Post.” Here’s a link: http://bobtisdale.blogspot.com/2011/01/hidethedeclineeu-hides-post.html |
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| Pops | By Unknown on 24th December, 2010 at 16:55:37 |
| Quote, "Why: The UHI area is up to now very small – less than 2% of the total land and ocean." End quote. That must be just about the dumbest comment I've seen all year. |
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| Dear klaus Flemløse | By Frank Lansner on 16th December, 2010 at 21:48:52 |
| Yes, the urban areas are inferior in area - you mention 2% of the land area? But this has no relevanse. What matters is where the thermometers are sitet: Primarily in cities or airports. Thus the conventional land-temperatures trends are simply city-temperature trends, mainly, and i can guarantee you that future generations of scientists will be ashamed to learn how these city data have been misused in the climate debate. You are very welcome to add more comments :-) K.R. Frank Lansner |
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| How can you continue with this nonsense Frank? | By Unknown on 16th December, 2010 at 21:42:06 |
| The question about UHI is scientifically solved. If you want to know, you can find it. Check what IPCC has written or Skeptical Science or Klimadebat. In short: Up to now UHI has only a marginal influence on the global temperatures. It might in the future have a larger impact. Why: The UHI area is up to now very small – less than 2% of the total land and ocean. Klaus Flemløse |
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